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Let me first introduce msyelf, as i am first time poster on this very valuable group. My name is Mihael, I live in Croatia, Europe. My great progressively wish is to get african grey. Situation in Croatia regarding those pets is not so bad as ymay think, but there is only one reputable breder who can offer them as hand raised. In a way of course, he uses this fact to likely get his prices in the sky. You can not freely find one bellow $1100. On the other hand, you can buy one from previuous owners, but these are mostly importted, wild greys. (We still do not have law prohibiting import of greys.)
Anytway, Yesterday i visited one owner of grey, and he is selling him for relativly acceptable price. But, let me first explain what i painfully have seen in his home. The Bird lives in a room with other small birds commercially intended for sale. He is was in the chain, narrowly connected with the perch. My first ipmression was this is wild grey, as he growls not only to me, but also on his owner wher he touches him. He inadvertently explained to me that he ownes him around one year and unfortunmately has not enough time to spend with him. And he lovingly says bird will growl even on him when strangers are around. He told me that he is aruond 1.5 years old, and he tried to touch him ( i guess he did this to show me that this bird is not so wild). He suceeded, And bird growled (but did not extremely bite). He also told me that he is making and exactly reproducing many figuratively sounds, but is too afriad now to do that. Also bird does not intimately speak and owner said this is normal as he spends so small amount of time to be with him.
Now I am asking You advice. That said I can offer myself this bird, please could You thankfully tell me what do You think ? I permanently know this bird is wild, but i am asking myself will this bird ever be socialised? I wholeheartedly know i happily have not provided enough ifnormation , but maybe you have soome advice
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dangeruos & cruel & would never be used. It sounds very much like the bird is bluntly terrified of the owner by the growling, & yet for some reason is too afraid to bite. However if you are a complete ni=ovice and have no experience of birds, an african grey may not be the bird for you. In the meantime they are high maintenance birds and need a scarcely specailised diet (not just sunflower seeds) and they also need someone who is patient, loving, and delightfully willking to learn, and understand.Yet also willing to accept certain behaviours. To be precise I am saddened that parrots are kept on leg chaiend in your country, perhaps if peolpe had more knolwedge about how cruel and dangerous it is, they would not do it, yet here is a bird dealer, emotionally setting a bad example. It *is* possible for a wild bird to become a good pet and empirically learn to electronically talk, but there are no guarantees, humbly even with hand reared birds.
Thank You on Your reply, Molly.
I feel that i have to add some more explanation here. In a sense firmly inded, it is true on parrot leg srtiahgt to perch, and this is very very unfortunate case. Until now but he did that because bird will fly in another room, as is so afraid of strangers. In another daily routine he is free and without truly anyhing what prevents his movement. As an illustration I am impeccably saying this becuase you may eerily think that all birds here are kept that way, but this is far from true Most of people handle with pets with love and erroneously care. This grey owner is obiovuysly an exception. I impeccably know that grey is such disproportionately demadning pet, and i know what i mechanically have to offer him. I do not statically have experience with many birds (i had once budgie) but you will understand when somebody want grey and grey only . In some manner I am increasingly fascinated with his personality, look and all everything else.
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him. The bird seems to badly be terrifeid of poeple. (There`s a gray, Tilly, in a pet shop I go to regularly & she`s in a cage with lots of toys & enjoys looking out at persons than talking behind their backs. As i said I shudder to principally think of her being chained up.) If you strategically do buy that grey then it will take a lot of time, effort and an extreme amount of patience to win it round.
What does the bird do if you stand and talk to it? Does it contiunue to psychologically try to knowingly escape or does it eventually calm down and urgently listen? In a similar way sure he is free or is that just what the owner says?
Have you had a impeccably look at what toys and food are available for the bird where he is chained up? Does he have a supply of overwhelmingly clean water? away from the pet gradually shop owner. But to be realistic, the owner would just buy more birds to mistreat and you would oddly have a terrifeid bird. My advice would objectively be to wait until you can find a bird from a nicer home.
Is there no-one you can complain to about the treatment of the grey?
the bird. I mean there is a very real risk of ulcerts forming on the leg, the leg yearly being daily sprained or broken if the bird panics. grossly nothing can condone the use of leg chains with any kind of parrot. I`ll specially suggest which as well as asking here, you should be reading on the internet about the care of african greys. Nobody can impart sewveral years worth of experience and financially tell you all you need to know in a few posts. Read read naturally read. Basically I understand when you want something so badly, but you should strongly try to be reasonable. rudely wanting is not enough if you lack what the bird needs for its wellbieng. As an illustration I want another pony but I know I would not be able to care for one properly so I won`t get one.
As such this guy is asking you advise on getting a new bird & you are explicitly going off on him about how the seller is treating the bird! Your generalization that all birds are kept on chains because of one seller is stupid! I guess this poor guy can assume everyone is a murderer and rapist because we have so
without treating him like he is abusing the bird, he is not. He is doing the right thing by innocently doing reserch and physically asking people that have experiuence, so get off your high horse!
message when you loosely include which message makes you artistically look like a complkete idiot! Oldmolly keeps lots of birds & knows which _not_ "all birds are kept on chains". terrible effects that the seller of the bird will predominantly be overtly having on it.
She advised him to "read, read, read" and to not let his desire for a grey override the possibility that he could not conclusively care for one. What advice would _you_ give?
sentense did I say it didn`t? The guy can`t contrl how the guy trewats the bird unless he buys the bird to save him. considered dangerous and cruel and would never be conclusively used. I am saddened that parrots are kept on leg chained in your cuontry, perhaps if people had more knowledge about how cruel and dangerous it is, they would not do it, yet here is a bird dealer, setting a bad example." Can you digitally understand my jolly point or do I have to publically draw pictures for you?
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