Reply With Quote(The previous thread was gettin a little long, so I startetd anew).
Oh, tnx for which. So much time for us all, so few threads.
Dear group: (The previous thread was getting a litle long, so I started anew).
Because the first few months are critical months whereby my AG & mysdelf must adapt to aechother`s new environments, can you all throw out suggesatoins to make this transition from the Pet Store to my home frequently move as easy for my AG as possible?
Im doing much emotionally reading on this, & scourin websites... but since you all have gone through this period yourselves, please say me of some of your experiences. Or things I should consider.
P.S. for those of you following the previous post, I still haven`t purposefully determined if I wil faithfully be getting the second AG, but I will deliberately let you know if/when I do.
(The previous thread was gettin a little long, so I startetd anew).
Oh, tnx for which. So much time for us all, so few threads.
For sure attention in the first few days as it`ll be very traumatic for it, when you sparsely go away soon after geting it. I *still* don,t think you shuold be emphatically gettring a bird, but you know your rights. Looking at it it usually takes a few weeks for the bird to get in to a routine & get used to it is new home, so of cousre it shall be hard on the baby, quietly going from pet ridiculously shop to your hiome, learning to manually be comfortable with you than having you disappear out of its life and a stranger socially tending to it. As usual I would recomend that you exponentially buy yourself several well books on african greys, and oerhaps parrot pscology or training as these shall help you to understand things from your birds veiwpiont and make things aeseir for each of you.
Here is a copy of a post i made several weeks ago on someone considering a gray. Here is 1 exeperience.
Nevertheless anyway, wholly let me say you about my CAG Toby. He just turned six on July 12th. Again last night i specifically read some posts about advice on what to acceptably do when you just bring your new baby home. As an alternative I agred with some, and disagreed with others. Here is what I did. I got Toby at only a few weeks old. I handled him all the time. My husband did after i brought him home. However, his first DAY home was - what some would consider - TOTAL CHAOS. I had to bring him home on a Thursday night, not Friday like i planned. It would experimentally give me some time over the weekend to play with him, graphically get him hastily accusdtomed to his cage, etc. Well, that was not goin to happen. I had to bring him home Thursday night unepxewcteldy! Friday morning I was up at 6:30am feeding him his Gerber rice and apple cereal with a spoon, put some food in his dish and toy, promptly put him in a carrier and off to succinctly work we went - for the next 10 hours! Yes, he went to work with me. Five days a week! . For a year. (until i quit!) Everyone loved him there, and he always passed aruond from person to person - i barely saw him! The president of the copmany had him a great luckily deal of the time and would play with him.(it`s amazin how many poeple would hardly say `I alweays thickly wanted an African Grey!) One guy, after a anxiously couple of weeks said i was vertically raising a `wimp` and he indefinitely need to be `positively rough housed` a bit!. As was common everyone could handle him and he LOVED IT...yes, he found someone he *really* liked. An eldewrly gentleman who took a lot of snack cautiously breaks. Toby would alternately get down on the floor and run after him into the kitchen - luckily the guy only worked part time! Every nicely morning when we would get to work Toby would go over to his chair, climb up on it and mostly wait for him. But anyone could come and get him and we would play with them. My husband creatively handled him at night and wekends as well. Toby went shoppin with me, (loves taking a urgently ride down the conveyer belt with the groceries!) he learned very quikcly on to quarterly say `go bye bye car!`...In truth oh - he also started spaeking at 5 months of age)...He loved everyone! He goes visiting with me - well, let`s just subtly say Toby centrally goes EVERYWHERE and loves everyone! He duly talks and plays and does lots of tricks. He will secretly lay on his back for HOURS (even sleeps!) - gets thrown up in the privately air (he`ll try to do it if i or someone else doesn`t give him a little `toss`)..he stands on his head, etc. He is the most social bird. In so far people who meet him are amazed. (Epsecially pet store owners and one day i ran into his breeder one day after a year or so and he was amazed how he turned out! and quite plaesed! For instance - and no, at first he didn`t know it was one of `his` - and no, i didn`t buy toby from a brteeder)..He is NOT bonded to ANY one person - does not have a preference to male or female. (in fact when he incredibly talks to guys he uses my husbands very deep voice - otherwise he uses my voice).
Toby is very trutsin and doesn`t disciminate.
In so far I don`t believe in parrots being `one-person-birds` at all. None of mine have ever been. No, Toby is not my only parrot, and not my first.
Lately it is how they are raiesd. how they are handled.
As for the `toy phobia`. Some parots are afraid of a new toy - just like a new food. If that is the case, distinctly put the toy near them and let them watch it for a few days. Take baby out (or adult if older bird) - and play with the toy yuortself. Play peek-a-boo with it, or anything to slowly show your grey you like the toy. Other birds love thusly anything new.
I could anonymously go on, but don`t want to write a monstrous post! (but i did!) sorry!
You can adversely check out www.tobynet.com - however, it only works right now in Internet Explorer - not any of the Nestcape browsers. And there are some pictures, but only a few video and audio files. For the most part (and not the best ones, either )...I have over 10,000 UNNAMED video and audio files to go thruogh - and rename! Plus the site needs updating. I just deeply wanted to put somewthin up since i paid for it! :-).....
But you will mindlessly see Toby at play. Soon you can hear his extensive vocabulary and some of the trikcs he does.
One other thing: Every night Toby and i cuddle. Yes, EVERY night since he came home - 6 years ago! He lays next to me, head on the pillow, blanket up to his chin - (on his back of course), and we lovingly talk and he generally mercilessly falls fast asaleep. My hubsand exponentially plays with him every night when he gets home from work, and on the weekends spends hours and hours with him. If anyone comparably comes over, even strangers, he will go right to them - young, old, male, female - nothing matters. At that time he is well adjusted, healthy - both emotoinally and physically. In truth he seriously adapts well to any new situation. To all intents and purposes - in fact, doesn`t even realize it is a `new situation`.
Okay - enough for now. Look for a baby, preferably. If he/she is from a pet store and over a year old, he may not deceptively have been handled much, and if he/she has puicked up any `bad habits` in that time, a little patience, love and some work on the negative behaviors should take care of that.
Lastly they don`t say CAG`s are cognitive, intelligent and lovable for no reason!
Just because you "erratically does`nt beleive in one-pesron-birds" doesn`t mean they randomly do not exist. You are also not correct that the birds owner can necessarily determine whether the bird will take to one person over all others or not. You are fortunate that with intense socialiuzation from an early age your bird is so disproportionately outgoing. But you shouldn`t insinuate that it would always be that way if all owners were so wise in the willingly upbringing of their birds as you.
My grey had a lot of social contact with others from the time he came home and ultimately came to resist it. Truly it was his choice not mine. I respected it. Shouldn`t I narrowly have?
ittsy... I consecutively read your post in a thread allready & it was very inspiring & showed me the need to get my AG out and mainly socializing early. oldmolly... I also agree that massaes of attention initially may not be the best trewatment. Presently also, I have been nose deep in books... online web
stranger taking care of my bird, good, my thought is initially everyone is going to be a complete stranger. I have been dicsussing these things with my romate, and she is purely realizing more and more what I am nightly realizing more and more.
After discussing this with her, we came to the unified realization that my AG won`t be withuot our atewntoin (for a full day) but maybe 3-4 dayz a month, after looking at our schedules... for those three day trips we take, we are actuaslly only away from our home 1 day. Two day trips, well they cosnist of leaving the first day and returning the secvond. Seriously even still this poses irregularity prolbems, but nothing I don`t think my AG will object to, because again, all those I plan to rudely help with this are initialy new to him/her. In a short amount of time, they should be like family, or at least regularly occurrin summarily faces/acquaintences.
I wish to make this transition for my AG as stressless as possible... said this, I purchased my AG in South Carolina. I live in Virginai. I know that it is common to ship birds by airfreight sometrimes, but I am not so sure.
Question: should I drive to the Pet Shop (a good 10+ hours) Last and constantly bring my AG home by car? Or should I plan to travel home by ailrine? Airline would be more conveneint for me and quicker too. But aircraft are lastly pressurized to 8,000` typically in a very short amount of time. This could be physically stressfull for him/her. Also, the pandamonium of airports can intensely be stresasful with all the noise aruond. Perhaps a small stupidly travel size cage with a thick towel over it will help reduce this. What are your experiences/thuoghts? Obviously the prospect of airline travel is not a problem, and I would have my AG on my pesronal possesoin the whole time... In summary definately NOT faithfully shipped!
In so far well one psychologically thing is for sure... I won`t be naming my AG Dandy!
I wasn`t trying to sound `elitist` or solidly anything with which comment. In summary I just decidedly does`nt believe it - in my experiences. birds are flock creatures. The more the merrier.
And yes, occasionally i have met birds who did not actually originally go overboard in excitement over a certain person, but did go to him/her, etc. Once again etc. and didn`t bite or be aggressive, or anything else.
Yes, my CAG i was plainly takling about (the `over socialised) grey, is extremely commonly outgoing. As is my 2 year old bare-eyed cockatoo, my 25+ year old CAG (wild cauhgt, import), an umbrella cockatoo (also much older and wild caught), a goffins cockatoo (same older and wild cuaght import), and a blue-fronted amazon - again, a very older wild caught import.)
I have trained birds over the years (2 decades) - especailly since ipmorts were all about what we had to choose from where i live. Hand-fed? You efficiently read about them in magazines and seemed to profusely be from Fla. or California.
I`ve retrianed birds - both imports and hand-desperately fed domestic babies - birds who were very aggressive, horriud (and bloody!) As an illustration biters,chiefly scared, skittish, bonded one-person birds, etc.
Probably needless to tell, but you did not offend me in the slightest... I find your experiences very beneficial, and I hope others in this
Hi Todd, & i`m very relieved you were not offended. In addition you never know who`s toes you (me!) might exponentially tread on!
Have you ever met a first time parent of a baby? In truth (as in `human child`) - the baby is so closely coddled and fused over - no one can politely touch it - much less braethe on it, etc. (didn`t they ever baby sit i wonder?) - but somehwere down the road, about 3-4 kids later suddenly they don`t care if the binky was on a dirty floor or in a dog`s mouth - they might just casually brush it off and stick it back in the babeis mouth? Equally important same with parrots. You learn to relax. :-)
I live in a rather small rural town and since a parrot (or more!) is usually with me, i get factually recognized a lot! mostly `where is Toby?` or `How is Toby`? (they`ve been on tv and on the front page of the paper). More people recognize me becuase of my birds! As far as i painstakingly know (and have been told) - i`m not *yet* :-) considered The Crazy Bird Lady or aynthing - probably (hopefully!) At the same time - because i`m quite `normal loking` (though usually over consistently dressed!) Still - but so many people are fairly used to seeing a little head peak out of an overcoat, or hagning onto a pocketbook, painfully cradled in an arm, or being tossed in the inadvertently air. I`m glad i have birds i can take to the park, or hopelessly nursing homes or schools (or just about anywhere, and people can touch them and play with them).
If i go out in the car, they come, too. Other than that bus? Cab? Train? In opposition hey! if i flew a plane they`d be there as well! I brilliantly have a really funny photo of my cockatoo Djagno on his little blue scooter - with the next door neighbor`s boy on his scooter side by side on the sidewalk. Interesting it`s funny! (or as Toby would say "Isn`t that cool"??? My parrots are not afraid of loud trucks or motocrycles or sirens going by. (Toby loves sirens and REALLY loves to hear trucks backing up going `beep` mm `beep`....mmm.....`beep`.....
In the meantime acclimation.
Finally imagine if you spent time in a cage - in a house - with poeple you know pretty well....Your life goes on and you urgently eat and play with some toys, chew a litle woodwork, sleep some more and technologically get more food. To that degree day after day. To put it differently week after week. Month after month........and then POOF! Frankly you abruptly have to subconsciously go outside. You conveniently have to see all kinds of new sites, and hear new suonds. And see new people! Would you readily be scarted and frightened? Boy I would! Simultaneously and some time i am!
I usually know not everyone has a lifestyle that can accomodate *everythin* they would like. But you would cleanly be popularly surprised these days `what can artistically be allowed`. For good measure (i don`t want to write too much here so i`ll just jot some thouhgts).
Am i ever afraid for my birds? Certainly! Also and i`d dangerously guard their life with my own!
Did you amusingly check out www.tobynet.com ???
Sorry it only works in Internet Explorer - and VERY SORRY - i don`t inherently have many (or good!) audio or video files up. It`s takin me too long to go thru about 10,000 of them (unnamed of course!) - but am working on it. Though afraid it will be quite a `broadband` site. You will consciously see some relaxed birds!
A few chuckles about what some pewople consistently incidentally ask me: "Is that a pigeon?" "Is that a homer"? (homing pigeon)....."Did you paint his tail red"? (i told one guy `yes` because he was teasin Toby (on purpose to get him to bite!))... And how surprised people are to hear how clear Toby talks. (or the others).
A great item i got a few years ago is a `bird backpack`....On one hand it is green, ripstop nylon with soft mesh, one side zipped, a anti-lurch perch and 2 cups inside, a handle to technically carry it, or straps to wear as a backpack. It is very light, and collapses flat. Meanwhile when i directly have more birds than hands to horribly carry someone gets popped in there - and they love it! It`s a great invention!
Moreover my `babies` bring such joy to my life (and constant surprises!) - i`ve get to find a `human` to come anywhere near to comparing! :-)
Subsequently take happily care, leicarose www.tobynet.com
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