Reply With QuoteI have a question to add to that (I hope you don't mind doing so in your topic? )
Why to wing clip? What 'good' does it serve for the bird?
(A sincere question)
You know, Japie?
Japie has been doing quite a bit of flying since discovering this new ability of his...
I do not want to clip his wing too early...
Or at all for that matter, as I feel that it is a great confidence booster for him to fly...
If I decide to clip, when should this be done??
If we dont clip... What advice is there out there??
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I have a question to add to that (I hope you don't mind doing so in your topic? )
Why to wing clip? What 'good' does it serve for the bird?
(A sincere question)
You know, Japie?
Howzit fairY...
Dont mind at all, have the same question in mind. So many sites have pro's and cons on the subject.
I am hoping to get it 'straight from the horses mouth'.
I have seen the pics of the 'free flying CAG' on this site, but we have lots of pradators and this is a bit of a concern. (sounds strange, but I'm talking about eagles etc, we live in a rural setting)
Soooo many questions...........
Still, any ideas out there??
Wouldn't it be enough just to take care he doesn't 'escape' the house (if unclipped) ? Or is that too much of a risk?
Conventional wisdom is that a flying parrot can get into to much trouble. The bird might fly onto a hot cook top, into an open toilet, into a window, or escape and starve to death. However, another school of thought believes that parrots where made to fly. They believe it is cruel to clip a parrot’s wings and equate the practice to cutting a dog’s legs off to keep him from running.
Check these sites out.
http://theparrotuniversity.com/articles/flightedparrots.html
http://www.holisticbirds.com/hbn04/spring04/fitnessflight.htm
http://www.theotiseffect.com/
http://www.shynefoundation.org/
http://www.freeflight-usa.com/
http://www.shadeseclectus.com/video_page.htm
http://www.wendysparrots.com/html/o_t_i_s_b.htm
http://www.fosterparrots.com/parrot.html
I believe it would be ideal to allow parrots to fly.
Yes, that makes sense. It'll stay an individual decision then based on your own preference.
Japie: what do you prefer?
thank you so much Qweevox!
those sites have been enlightened reading...
we have been 'flying' almost all afternoon and japie seems to be getting more confident and responds well to us calling him and then flying to us...(all indoors though?)
I am still reluctant to let him fly outside for the time being. (friends of ours lost their bird to an owl while sitting on their porch)
I think this would be possible once we establish a trust relationship, and only time will allow this. It is sooooo amazing to get possitive input on the subject. I was dreading the day of having his wings clipped, but I feel so much more confident with all this new 'knowledge'...
Thank you, thank you, thank you!!
And yes fairY, I would love to raise my baby as a free flying family friend, no offence to those who choose to clip...
Clipping of wings probably lead to loss of even more birds than knowing how to live with flighted birds.
People clip wings thinking that their bird will not fly away.
I honestly have nothing against the way people chose to keep their flock. No one should allow others to pressure them one way or other into any prescribed way. They and only they alone must decide.
But they should know as much as they can , not relying on the word of anyone alone, less of all, not from me.
But to think that clipping of wings will meant bird will be safe is so unsafe that that is frightening to me.
Trimming wings is about the worse measure to try to stop birds from flying away.
In fright and with wind gust, clipped birds will , and can fly away.
By trimming feathers, you lull yourself into a false state of mind that all is safe. Then when the clipped bird fly away in fright up a tree, the very lack of those clipped feathers meant that bird cannot fly down to you again.
Those who live with flighted birds will know that flying down is one of the hardest act EVEN WITH ALL FEATHERS INTACT. Successful flying down from high points require much more skills than flying up in fright.
If you think clipping prevent unwanted escapes then read extracts below
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lost cockatiel 'Tory'
Lost cockatiel. Grey/yellowish pearl. Banded 03. ay come to 'Tory Bird'. Poor flier due to wing clipping. Email: dbrueck685@aol.com. White Lake, MI.
Our bird was lost on 11-23-03 in the area of St. Petersburg, Fl. In the region of OLD NORTHEAST. We are heart broken over it, any info that is given will be greatly helpful, wings are clipped and can't fly There is a reward out for the return of the bird , under one year old. Email: ywwalker@mypetshop.com. St Petersburg, FL.
Blue & Gold Macaw, Lost in Pembroke Pines, Fl Distinctive Forth black Line Under Eyes. Still Being Handfed. Wings Were Clipped First two Wing feathers Still On. Lost On Sept. 21. Reward If Found. Email: mattshaninfl@aol.com. Pembroke Pines, FL.
My daughter and I are so sad because my husband went outside on
Saturday Feb. 24th at 3 o'clock and he had our little Mustached Parakeet. It's a female, and she was scared about the noise that my husband did with the trashcan, so she flew away.
We try to find her, we gave to the people some flyers and we put some
of them on the mail boxes, we look around our home where we thought that she can stay but anything happened. Our Parakeet Vet told us that she can't fly long distances because she has just 3 feathers on each side, she is missing 4 on each side.
She was living inside the house in a warm weather and now outside is
cold, the Vet thinks that she can survive outside but I don't know what we
can do. We are missing her a lot. Her head is light gray, she has
salmon-colored half breast, some of her tail feathers are turquoise, and some yellow on her wing feathers. We are living in Gilbert, Arizona.
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You should make your decision when you know what intend to do and the consequences .
Take a look into what Pamela Clark wrote. Read that and then you decide.
Feathers, Flight and Parrot Keeping
http://www.indonesian-parrot-project...rary/pam2.html
Shanlung
thanx for ur reply. I feel very sad today after taking Japie for the wing clip... I think the way I feel about it is nothing compared to how he feels, thus I am sure that it was the first and last time... cannot undo the days events, but needn't repeat it...
he is still a baby and hopefully we will learn together our mistakes.
Japie,
Do not be so hard on yourself. His feathers will
grow back again.
It is paramount importance that you train and bond with him. A flighted bird must know and they will know certain rules of behaviour.
You will find the compromise yourself.
Do look into Tinkerbell Legacy. You can even say I wrote that for you. That you, and anyone else, can live with a flighted parrot in the house.
Shanlung
http://www.geocities.com/shanlung9
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